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It doesn't matter who the land "originally belonged to", it matters who was born on it and lived their lives on it. A Mexican person has no right to claim that they "have a right" to live in Texas or Arizona or New Mexico. They were not born there. Same thing with Israel and Palestine. BOTH Israelis and Palestinians have been born in that region, therefore that region belongs to BOTH of them. The past doesn't matter. Israelis and Palestinians just need to get a long and share the land.
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A Mexican person has no right to claim that they “have a right” to live in Texas or Arizona or New Mexico. They were not born there.

But see, that’s where your argument falls apart. If people do not have a right to land they were not born on, then the U.S. had no right to take away Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, etc., from its native inhabitants in the first place. The US colonists and soldiers who stole Native American and Mexican lands were not born there; they invaded and killed or expelled the natives. Then, of course, once removed, future generations of the native population won’t be born on that land since the colonizing population won’t let the native people back in.

It would be like if someone invades my house, kicks me out by force, and claims it as their own. And then, if my children fight to reclaim that house, you would say, “well, you children weren’t born there, so it’s not yours.” Well, of course, they weren’t born there! That’s the whole point. They couldn’t have been born there because I was forcibly and unjustly kicked out of my house in the first place!

In fact, what you are arguing for is precisely the logic of colonialism. Take land by force, set down roots, have children, and claim the land as your own.

No. Real justice means looking beyond place of birth but rather addressing such social factors as: oppression, colonialism, imperialism, refugees, ethnic cleansing, white supremacy, racism, exploitation, etc.


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As a friend writes: “Watch Anna Baltzer take down all the usual bullshit about Hamas on Fox News. Solid and seamless. This was excellent.”
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Anna Baltzer:
On FOX News debating Megyn Kelly about Gaza last night: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-kelly-file/index.html#/v/3695794903001

As a friend writes: “Watch Anna Baltzer take down all the usual bullshit about Hamas on Fox News. Solid and seamless. This was excellent.”

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On FOX News debating Megyn Kelly about Gaza last night: http://www.foxnews.com/
on-air/the-kelly-file/index.html#/v/3695794903001

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You can't kick people out of a certain land or claim that they don't belong there just because their ancestors invaded that area. I'm white, but I was still born in America and this land is my home and no one has a right to tell me to "go back to Europe". I didn't come from Europe, I come from America. This relates to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Most Israelis were born in Israel, and that is their home. Same thing with the Palestinians. No should be kicked out of the land where they were born
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Actually, I think that the land should be shared by all, equally — though those who have been made refugees from their lands and have been subjected to genocide, such as Native Americans and Palestinians, should be given reparations, either monetarily or in kind.

The irony, however, is that the people most opposed to sharing the land are not the oppressed indigenous population, but rather the ancestors of the invading, colonizing population.

It has been white Americans who have kicked Native Americans out of their homelands. It is white Americans who stole Mexican land and now tell Mexican and other “immigrants” to “go back” to where they came from. It is white Americans who refuse to share the land with its original inhabitants.

Likewise in historic Palestine. It was the Israeli colonizers who kicked the native Palestinians out of their homelands and told them to “go back” to the surrounding regions. It is Israelis who want to remove all Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza and prohibit refugees in Jordan and Lebanon from returning to their homelands which Israel has annexed.

So what we see is that if we want a world in which all of the Earth’s inhabitants can share it and prosper equally, we have to fight against the white supremacist and European-colonist-supremacist notions which reject the very idea of sharing the land with the natives, but rather seek to ethnically cleans native lands, and then refuse the ancestors of those native populations the right to return to the lands that they were kicked out of by the colonial ancestors of the present-day dominant population.

If you are, as you say, in principle against “kicking people out of certain lands” or “claiming that they don’t belong there”, then you need to stand up to the racism against indigenous people, the chauvinism and ignorance of the ancestral colonial population, the refusal of the dominant society to recognize the just claims of the historically colonized peoples.

Otherwise, your concern about people being “kicked out of their homelands” will ring utterly and completely hollow.

For why should Native Americans or Palestinians — or even anyone who cares about social justice — given a damn about your right, as the descendant of a colonizer, to stay on occupied land, when you do not recognize the right of the indigenous population to seek redress for the injustices committed against them when they were kicked off their land by your ancestors.


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NewsOne:
Denzel “Jaba” Curnell, 19, died from a bullet wound to the head after an encounter with a South Carolina police officer on Friday night in, what authorities claim, was a suicide. But witnesses tell a different story. Several witnesses say that Officer Jamal Medlin told Curnell to get down and put his hands behind his head before he shot him. An autopsy revealed that Curnell died from a bullet wound to the right side of his head. Curnell, according to family, is left-handed. MORE HERE: http://newsone.com/3026965/denzel-jaba-curnell-unarmed-sc-teen-killed-by-police-officer/


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Translation: This man was lynched by a racist cop in South Carolina — a state which still openly flies the Confederate Flag at its Capitol building.

Denzel “Jaba” Curnell, 19, died from a bullet wound to the head after an encounter with a South Carolina police officer on Friday night in, what authorities claim, was a suicide. But witnesses tell a different story.

Several witnesses say that Officer Jamal Medlin told Curnell to get down and put his hands behind his head before he shot him. An autopsy revealed that Curnell died from a bullet wound to the right side of his head. Curnell, according to family, is left-handed.

MORE HERE: http://newsone.com/
3026965/denzel-jaba-curnell-unarmed-sc-teen-killed-by-police-officer/

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Translation: This man was lynched by a racist cop in South Carolina — a state which still openly flies the Confederate Flag at its Capitol building.


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The Israeli watchdog tugs at its owners’ leash.

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Security cabinet refuses US-initiated ceasefire in the Gaza Strip and demands changes, according to Israeli media.

The Israeli security cabinet has rejected US proposals for a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip as 33 more deaths have taken the death toll in the besieged enclave to more than 840 people.Israel TV reported on Friday evening that the cabinet had rejected the proposal in its current form, mainly because it would mean Israel has to cut short an ongoing effort to destroy Hamas military tunnels under the Gaza-Israel border.

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JERUSALEM — Violence spread to the West Bank on Friday as enraged Palestinians protested Israel’s continuing military offensive in Gaza. At least five Palestinians were killed in clashes with Israeli security forces, according to Palestinian medical officials and local news reports, adding to the explosive atmosphere in the region and raising the specter of further unrest.

The protests came on what Palestinians planned as a “day of rage” over the war in Gaza, where 18 days of combat have cost the lives of more than 800 Palestinians, most of them civilians, as well as 35 Israeli soldiers.


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#Guillotine

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"Say what you will about Hamas’ rocket fire, at least they managed to scratch the surface of Israel’s faith in the normalcy of its domination of another people."


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The great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar weighs in on the student-athlete charade that’s keeping college players from having a voice.

"Without unions, college athletics will remain a subtle but insidious form of child abuse."

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Its not about "acting white", its about being Black: “A recent study published by the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology found that the subjects — mostly white, female undergraduates — viewed black boys as older and less innocent than their white peers. When photos of children were paired with descriptions of crimes, the subjects judged the black children to be more culpable for their actions than their white or Latino counterparts and estimated that they were an average of 4.5 years older than they actually were.”

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Native Americans stand with Indigenous Palestinians

Native Americans stand with Indigenous Palestinians


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What's the source for live ammunition being used on West Bank protestors?

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This is way more than a regional conflict. That $30 billion in aid from the US? Yeah that's going towards stabilizing the US and protecting democracy through out the world. Saying that Israel are terrorist based on those facts is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Yes, they have killed people but this isn't a game. This is real life. The UN say who is and who is not a terrorist because they know. Do you think they're extremely wrong and you're right?!

Israel is in open violation of more UN resolutions and international laws than virtually any other nation on the planet, including, but not limited to, using Palestinian civilians as human shields, torturing and sexually abusing Palestinian child prisoners, settling and stealing the occupied land of the West Bank, sterilizing Ethiopian and African immigrants en masse, targeting and bombing civilian infrastructures, starving an entire population of Palestinians as a result of the deadly years-long siege of Gaza, etc., etc.

The problem with the UN, however, is that while the General Assembly regular passes resolutions condemning Israel’s crimes, nothing ever gets done about it due to the undemocratic structure of the UN. While the General Assembly — which is comprised equally of all the countries on Earth — can pass resolutions, it has no executive power. That power lies with the Security Council which more or less consists of the world’s greatest imperial powers, and who each have veto power over any decisions made by that body.

Therefore, because the US is Israel’s number one supporter and patron, and because the US dominates the UN, nothing ever gets actually done about Israel, even though the UN General Assembly has condemned Israel again and again.

This is also because the US — again, Israel’s greatest ally — is itself actually the most violent, militaristic, and destructive government in the world today. It is responsible for more slaughter, more foreign wars, more instability and violence, than any other nation on the planet. It has a bigger military than the next 20 countries of the world COMBINED, and it uses it … A LOT. And this is not even to mention the constant drone strikes the US uses against countries it is not even in a declared war with, such as Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia.

But if you don’t understand the nature of US imperialism, than I can hardly expect you to understand the nature of Israeli imperialism — which is, in effect, really an extension of US imperial strategy for maintaining economic, political, and military hegemony over the Middle East.


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